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Wednesday, May 12, 2004
Nick Berg: An American Hero be-headed
I just watched the video that is flooding the internet. The Nicholas Berg be-heading.
Obviously it is terribly disturbing. It shows about five terrorists with shmatehs over their faces standing behind the Nick Berg who is on his knees with his hands tied behind his back. The terrorists than throw him down and proceed to saw off his head. When one here’s the word be-heading you think of a guillotine or machete chopping off the head in one painless swoop. Not in the case of Nicholas Berg. They actually were sawing at his neck back and forth while pulling his head by his hair. I’d say it took around 10 long seconds maybe longer to detach it. 10 of the most painful screaming seconds imaginable.
They call it retaliation for the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Really? Hmmm.. That’s strange. What about Daniel Pearl? Where there any know abuse cases when he was be-headed? You fucking islamic scum!! (sorry. I get carried away).
No. It wasn’t retaliation for these pigs. It was par for the course for these fucking terrorist pieces of shit.
Berg was an incredible human being and oh yeah, HE WAS A PRACTICING JEW. HMMMmmmm.
Berg made several trips to developing countries; in Ghana, he taught villagers how to make bricks, and returned emaciated because he gave away most of his food, his father said. Berg, who was unmarried, owned a small business that worked with communication equipment like radio towers. He saw his trip to Iraq, his father said, as an adventure — one that fit his ideology as a war supporter and backer of the Bush administration.
So let me ask you liberals something… Was it Bergs fault that he was be-headed? Should we blame ourselves? Should we blame Rumsfeld?
do you have the link for the video? though i know I will be horrified, I feel everyone should watch it just to know the kind of sick people we are at war with.
posted by Noah
: 4:42 PM
I REPEAT - ALL ARABS MUST BE DESTROYED. FUCK ANY LIBERAL THAT TRIES TO DEFEND THOSE SAVAGE ANIMALS!!! wops
>> So let me ask you liberals something… Was it Bergs fault that he >> was be-headed? Should we blame ourselves? Should we blame
His fault? No. But if you walk through central park in the middle of the night there's a good chance you're going to get mugged. Does that make the mugging moral or justified? Of course not. Its still a crime. Would I "blame" you for taking that risk? No. But its still a stupid risk to take. Furthermore, if your mugger happened to be black or hispanic, would I say that we need to teach these communities a lesson? Would I arrest random blacks and hispanics? That would be an absurd injustice. Burg took an independant "adventure" in Iraq - that's a pretty dumb move. Obviously its still horrible what happened. Certainly the perpetrators should be brought to justice. But only the criminals that inacted the crime. Not the entire Arabic community.
As far as the question of whether America is to blame: I think its a very similar question on a larger scale. I protested this war from the beginning. I can't say I foresaw just how horrible the post-war situation would be, but I was certainly apprehensive about it. The people in the Bush administration had an absolute obligation (especially after going against world opinion as they did) to forsee this sort of response. Now, does that mean its American's fault that she faces terrorist acts of this nature? Of course not. But was it stupid to put ourselves in that situation? I say absolutely.
As far as rumsfeld is concerned: I don't feel adequately informed to comment. The abuse scandals alone don't mean much to me (in terms of evaluating his ability for the job). Certainly this post-war scenario has turned out pretty badly, and I'm reasonably confident that better planning could have made the difference. But I don't claim to know anything about military operations: the numbers of troops we should have had there, the amount of money we should have set aside, etc.
posted by dov
: 3:49 PM
I'm not going to argue your points on this one because I think we pretty much agree.
-Berg was in Iraq at his own risk.
Even though it was the most disgustingly horrible act imaginable, you are correct that we shouldnt take it out on any random arab and that is not what is happening.
-The US could have been better prepared for the post-war.
This is almost certainly true, but what do we do about it now? Abandon ship? Let Kerry fix it....Yeah right!
I am grateful to argue with an educated liberal, I only wish I could help you. LOL
just curious why you think kerry would be worse at dealing with post-war iraq than bush. Did you see him on Fox news last night by any chance?
I don't know if Kerry would do a good job fixing Iraq or not. I wouldnt want to find out. Democrats are pretty quick to jump ship and assign blame. I for one think that the war on terror is a necessary thing and I stand behind our president 100%. For the record, I voted for Gore. My family have always voted for the Democrats.
can you think of an example of where democrats have jumped ship or assigned blame? I'm curious because it seems to be the national opinion that Bush is better able to handle Iraq than Kerry, but I honestly don't see it that way. I think Kerry would be much more successful at enlisting the support of other countries. The world perceives Bush as a fool, and they never supported his war effort in the first place. Kerry has a laid out plan for engaging those countries - though even if he fails to do so, I don't see why he's any more likely to mess things up than Bush is... Nobody in either party thinks America can simply run away from the mess we made.
As for the "war on terror:" do you think this has been a successful step? My impression is that we've created a void, right in the center of the middle east. Its a black hole without any form of law, to which these terrorist cells are flocking. Its given them more power, not less. I think our approach to the terror issue is all backward.
posted by dov
: 3:06 PM
posted by wops
: 5:08 PM
My favorite Kerry comment that sums him up: "I voted for the 87 billion, before I voted against it" In typical Kerry wishy washy flip flop style. Hey, Dov, they found MORE WMD in Iraq today, but the CIA must have planted it there for Bush.
posted by wops
: 5:14 PM
Can I think of an example where Democrats jumped ship or assigned blame?!! UUhhhh Iraq? That's why I brought it up. It's very easy to sit back and critisize Bush and Rumsfeld. The rest of the world thinks Bush is an idiot? Big deal. That changes nothing. They hate US, not just Bush. And if getting the rest of the world to like us means electing some two-faced liberal like Kerry, no thanks.
As for Kerry handling the Iraq situation better than Bush, I have no fucking idea. I'm not going to argue that point because there is no reason to. Kerry is not in charge so to start with the well I bet Kerry would....is pointless.
"As for Kerry handling the Iraq situation better than Bush, I have no fucking idea. I'm not going to argue that point because there is no reason to. Kerry is not in charge so to start with the well I bet Kerry would....is pointless."
That is the most backwards logic I've ever heard. Why not move back to a monarchy? Better to leave the guy that's in power than to question whether someone else can do the job better. You've just undermined everything that IS American.
As for their finding "WMD's": that's pretty fucking funny. First of all, I was against this war before I ever suspected how little the Bush and Blair administrations knew about the Iraqi threat. 2nd: unless I missed something, they found some nerve agents. Hardly impressive, and certaily not worth the mess they've gotten us into. Well done though - send a note home to the parents of your beloved (dead) troops.
Finally - Kerry flipflopping: that's typical mudslinging, coming straight from the Bush campaign. Personally, I wouldn't elect a president because of a comercial advertisement. Do you really believe you couldn't find similar "flip-flopping" in the Bush administration? Here's one: education. That was supposed to be a priority for this country before we got distracted by Bush's need to live up to his father. Instead our educational system is still runnign strong with all of those other 3rd world countries we seem so eager to "fix." How long will our dynasty last with those sort of policies?
posted by dov
: 12:13 PM